Reimagining Continuing Education for Nurse Practitioners
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Welcome back to Season 3 of the Real World NP Podcast! This episode is an interview with yours truly - I want to share a bit of a “reset” with what’s going on with Real World NP, how we’re reimagining continuing education for nurse practitioners, where we started, where we’re going, and how you can be involved.
I also want to share a bit that has changed behind the scenes, and how we’re incorporating more of a social justice and equity lens— not just inside the education for nurse practitioners, but overall practices inside the company.
One of the core reasons behind the company is not just to make the transition to practice for nurse practitioners easier, but also make an impact on the healthcare and education industries. We want to do continuing education for nurse practitioners differently than the status quo.
Some real talk: I feel like I repeat myself a lot, and part of me is like “they know this already.” They know that it’s important to be a whole human, and that they get to do that in their personal and work lives. That they’re not just a machine in the cog of healthcare, and things are starting to change. That they deserve to be supported and held in safe spaces while they learn this extremely important and difficult field of medicine. It’s old news.
But I’m reminded of the number of times I’ve counseled patients on their medications - at LENGTH and REPEATEDLY - and they still need to hear it again.
Like the time my patient with new-onset afib needing anticoagulation still ended up in the ER for overdosing his meds. Or after three visits for my patient with diabetes, they still did not understand their diagnosis and what it meant.
I truly, truly believe that even when things feel daunting and overwhelming, whether it’s the clinic day ahead, the severity of illness of the patient in front of you, or the state of the healthcare industry, individual actions make a big difference.
I’d love for you to be a part of the movement of change to make healthcare and education for nurse practitioners better — listen in to this episode to get a sense of where we’re going and what you can expect from us going forward. It’s also a helpful introduction to the backstory behind the company if you’re new here!
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Liz Rohr (they/she) (00:02)
welcome. So, Weeze is a wonderful person in my life and Weeze is interviewing me to kind of like restart this podcast season and kind of like reset the landscape of real world NP of like what we're doing, what expectations are, what, yeah, or just sort of an introduction for people who are newer to real world NP. So, we're just gonna have a little conversation.
Weeze (00:27)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (00:29)
answer some questions, talk about myself very uncomfortably.
Weeze (00:34)
I mean, I think the other important thing, I'm sure that you feel like this and your listeners probably in their personal lives and professional lives can attest to this is I think every few years we also, or I guess the goal, right, is that every few years we're evolving, we're changing, we're not the same versions of ourselves, right? The more that we learn, the different versions of ourselves come out because of that learning, right? Again, professionally and personally.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (00:48)
Yeah.
Totally.
Weeze (01:03)
So I generally think that, especially as an entrepreneur and a person who has the freedom to shift and shape business however they see fit, it's really important just to be like, hey, I know that you're used to a thing. And like, cool, great, fundamentally this is still the same thing, but I'm not the same person. And so that means that my offers aren't gonna be the same, what I create isn't gonna be the same.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (01:11)
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Weeze (01:27)
And I just think we should normalize that, right? Like just having those conversations of like, yeah, I'm not the same person. Don't expect the same things from me.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (01:33)
Absolutely. I think that's so true also for people in the clinical space that like, and I feel like this has come up in a number of interviews that I've had, but it's like, we get to, I think that so many people are caught in this kind of like perfectionist, high achieving thing that it's like, they go through like all the school and the whole thing and then they get there and they're like, I don't know if I like this, you know, and that like permission giving, I feel like it's just such a theme and that's like, even if you loved it three years ago, like you get to try something new.
Weeze (01:40)
huh.
Yeah, yeah, I will say that's probably the one thing that my mentors when I was in undergrad, like really instilled in me and like to my certain family members dismay because they wanted me to major in certain things. But I literally like I had to pause and be like, OK, in 10 years, what will I be glad that I had a background in at the very least?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (02:09)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
Weeze (02:26)
right? Because I need something that's going to allow me to like be malleable and shift and change. And so, you know, shout out to my mentors. But I think that TLDR, if you guys don't listen to anything else, we say give yourself permission to change and evolve and be different. And also accept that like sometimes the thing that old you chose is not the thing that knew you is going to like at all. And that's OK.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (02:33)
for the day.
I'm sorry.
What do I do?
Yeah, totally.
Weeze (02:56)
But so on that note, so the last episode that you had, you let people know you were going on hiatus, you had the conversation about capacity. So fast forward to now, here we are. How is it feeling? What is capacity like? Where are you at energetically?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (03:06)
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, I mean, I think that like I've had some time to think about what I want the company to look like. Like I think that I definitely fell into that trap of like, well, this is what it started as and it has to be this way. And something just like wasn't feeling really great about it. And so, you and I have had some great conversations about like, what are the possibilities going forward? So I think it was really scary for me to put out a podcast episode where I was just like, I'm going to be a human and not and like, just let you know that I don't know when I'm going to come back. But I feel like every time I do little scary things like that, it definitely like.
gets easier and makes a difference. Which I always tie back to when I think about my listeners is just like, people who are listening rather, doing those little scary pieces, little bits at a time really does make a difference, especially when there's a big thing. Like, do I wanna change jobs? Do I wanna even be in this career anymore? Stuff like that. But yeah, I definitely am feeling more at peace with giving myself the grace that I would like to have.
And I hope that it can be like a model for people to give themselves grace too.
Weeze (04:13)
Yeah, I think that's super important, right? Modeling behavior and I think what you're really speaking to and for people that don't know me, I love analogies and similes and all the things. And so I am not a medical professional, which maybe we should have started with, but I like to try, Liz will tell you, I like to try to find relevant analogies. So that being said, the way that I look at it is really,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (04:29)
Haha!
Yes.
Totally.
Weeze (04:43)
you know, developing a tolerance, right? Or sometimes like if you, you know, you can develop a resistance to something, right? Good or bad, like in the medical world. If you take a medicine, you know, or a particular antibiotic, like too many times your body develops a resistance, but at the same time, if you microdose something, you develop a tolerance for being able to, your body can just hold a lot more, right? From a very sciency, actual like anatomical perspective. And so in,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (05:06)
Yeah.
Weeze (05:11)
In my work, I look at it as like, it's the same thing, it's just energetic. And I think a lot of times, unfortunately, I'm speaking for my impression, so you correct me if I'm wrong, but I look at my friends and my peers and loved ones that are in various segments of the medical world, and there's a lot of ignoring of the...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (05:15)
Yeah.
Totally.
Weeze (05:39)
like that internal like nervous system and the body and the tolerance for it. And so I think it's amazing that you did all the little scary things because as a clinician, you're definitely taught to ignore that.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (05:43)
yeah.
100%, 100%. Yeah, and it's just, I think one of the things that I really struggled with when I started the company, but also still I just recognize in people is just like, there is just such an oppressive culture of what healthcare culture industry is. And so it's so hard to imagine what the other possibilities are. I know you and I have talked a lot about behind the scenes of running a company, and it just occurred to me the other day, all of my working experience up to this point.
the last four and a half years was in healthcare, in health and hospital followed by primary care clinic. And so it's just, it's just so like, this is how things are. And I just, I really love being able to share with the podcast. Like I love talking about clinical stuff. Like I don't talk about it as much. Like I like having the, you know, having guests on and interviews and things like that. But I just, I also really love having that opportunity to talk about like how we can do things differently in healthcare, like with starting with like ourselves and how we show up in healthcare.
Weeze (06:51)
Yeah, so I think that is a perfect segue, right? So you're back, you've done some capacity searching. We've had a lot of conversations that involve the bulldozing, all of the things that you had previously been socialized and taught to believe were true or the only way to do things. And so now here you are. So before we talk about kind of the shifts and where you're gonna go in business,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (07:04)
Hehehehehe
Totally. Yeah.
Weeze (07:18)
I think let's just do a little reminder, a refresher for folks. Like what is Real World NP? Why Real World NP? And because of your very extensive time, right, in practice, what were you seeing that led you to want to create the business?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (07:37)
Totally. Yeah, and I've shared the story a little bit, but I do feel like it has shifted. So I started in 2019 after I'd been a nurse practitioner for about three, uh and a half years. Because basically what happened is that I always knew going into clinical practice that I'd want to do clinical something and something else. Like, is it going to be teaching? Is it going to be health policy? Something like that, some combination. And I got to a place like, and I had had my daughter. And so I was juggling like being a parent, being a full -time nurse practitioner.
And I was like, I just, I'm not happy. And I kind of got to that moment of like, is this what this is? Like, is this it kind of thing? Where I've just heard so many people, especially in the podcast recently where I've had guests have that moment of like, is this the right place? And so for me, I was like, I really want to teach. Like, that's the thing I want to try to do. And so I tried to pursue various teaching positions. I don't have a doctorate. I only have a master's at this point. So.
a lot of those positions required a doctorate. And so the associate positions in a traditional setting, it was just, it was not working out. And I was like, you know, why don't I just teach online? Why don't I just like make some videos? Because the thing that I really wanted to do was that I had this core frustration that is not unique to me, where people graduate from NP school and they're like, I'm sorry, I'm in charge now? Like what, like what, like what? Like absolutely no way should I be at the end of the line.
Weeze (08:50)
You
Like, I'm the adult now?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (08:58)
authority in this situation. So nobody feels prepared when they graduate, but I think that there's also some real core frustrations that people have with the healthcare industry as with healthcare education, specifically for nurse practitioners. I'm sure that physicians have their own complaints and physician associates too. But I think that there is this core frustration that is not unique to me where it's like, I feel like I wish I had known more and I wish I had known more real world practical things.
Weeze (08:59)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (09:24)
I want to know how things work in the real world. That's why the company name is as it is, because that's the phrase that people use. People are like, you're the nurse practitioner in the real world. I'm like, no, no, no, I'm just talking about, yeah. I had to choose a name that was like, you could make a website out of whatever. But that was the gist of it, is like, let's talk about the real world stuff that we don't cover enough in school. And so I just had this vision for online teaching with YouTube videos. I eventually switched to a podcast a couple of years later in addition to the YouTube channel.
Weeze (09:40)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (09:52)
But yeah, I wanted to create courses. I wanted to do a, I was also really frustrated with the fact that the way that we're trained in the real world is not uniform. Like it's not really standardized and a lot of people are kind of thrown to the wolves as they say. And people just like figure it out as they go. And it's sort of on them to like self advocate for what their needs are and like how to get support when they don't even necessarily know what they need because they're brand new. So.
Weeze (10:03)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (10:19)
So yeah, so I was frustrated with the lack of mentorship. I was frustrated with things I wanted to learn more about. And so I wanted to bring that kind of like into this space to really kind of help with both the healthcare industry as well as the education kind of system. I think since our, especially since our work together, I think number one, I think that there's a fair amount of delusion one needs to have to create a company. Delusional self -belief.
Weeze (10:46)
I can agree with that, yeah. You gotta be a little delulo.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (10:49)
Should I feel like we're a little deluded? So I know I was a little deluded when I first started the company. I was like, you know what, who cares? We'll see if this works out. I paid a bunch of money to a lawyer to make sure that I had on my ducks in row. I did a little bit of business training. Like, let's just break even. That'd be great. But I think that the kind of shift that's been true for me is that I kind of have this like very much like, I'm going to fix things. Delusion. And it's like, actually, like I can be a contributor, but like this is a very much larger system.
Weeze (11:10)
Mmm!
Liz Rohr (they/she) (11:17)
issue and like here are some ways that I can contribute you know by talking about patient -centered care by making education that's like both comprehensive but also concise like it doesn't it's not fluffy it's just like get to the point it's really practical and then like yeah it's like I mean you and I have talked about this a lot is that I'm really working on developing my equity lens so that we can kind of bring more of those conversations to this to the healthcare teaching itself because that is sorely like not just the content is lacking but that lens is sorely lacking.
Weeze (11:31)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (11:48)
So yeah, that's kind of the story of how we got here. And I started with a combination of mentorship and online courses. And the online courses, I thought it was gonna be 50 -50, but it like way took off for courses. So yeah, so I've since, I'm transitioning into more course -based and less into mentorship.
Weeze (12:06)
Yeah, so I mean, and that's a great next perfect segue, right? So you have this business, you were operating in a space of delusion, which you have to, I mean, as a business owner, I don't know a single business owner that we're all just a little bit delusional. You have to be, you have to be a combination of delusional and overly zealous and highly confident, but then,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (12:19)
Yeah. Yeah.
Weeze (12:36)
to not become an evil billionaire, also be coming at it from a service -oriented place. So it's like, here's a problem, I have an idea for a solution. And then the rest of the delusions kick in. I think people miss that a lot of times, and they forget that we're just people, and I'm kind of planting the seed because I want to come back to this with you, but we're just people that had an idea that part of it is preparation,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (12:40)
Hahaha!
Yes. Yeah.
Weeze (13:06)
part of it is vision and then the other part is really hard work that provided a unique solution in a way that people related to, right? So, but yeah, you gotta be a little bit off your rocker to be like, I'm gonna bet everything on myself. And I wouldn't, I mean, I think you'd say the same thing. Like I would never have picked anything else.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (13:12)
Yeah.
You
Weeze (13:35)
Like I would do this over and over. But so yeah, so we're gonna plant that seed about what kind of human you have to be. Because I think that gets lost in all of this. But so now you have your business, the courses are doing great, right? So where are you now? Like 2019 to 2024, you're five years in. As anyone right now knows, you start something.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (13:37)
Totally.
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah.
Weeze (14:03)
with your bright -eyed and your bushy -tailed and you have a lot of ideas and hopes and you think things are gonna go a certain way and then you get five years in and you're like...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (14:14)
Hehehehe
Weeze (14:15)
That wasn't exactly what I thought it was going to be. Right? And so then, like we started the episode by saying, you evolve, you change, and as you as a human evolve and change, then your business does as well. So where is Real World NP now?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (14:18)
Totally.
Yeah.
Totally. I think, yeah, I think that like when in terms of like the behind the scenes of the journey, like I definitely was still operating in that kind of like hustle and grind space that I think healthcare really encourages us to do. And I was so excited and I'm still excited. Like I still really believe in the mission and vision of the company. I think at the time I was just, it was so novel that I just, I was able to kind of tap in extra hard into the hustle and grind and I got really burnt out.
Weeze (14:43)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Mm -hmm.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (14:59)
for a long time. So I'm in recovery, I'm getting better, but yeah, I think one of the things I've been trying to assess is like I, and in sharing the origin story, like guess, hold on, pause for a sec. In sharing the origin kind of like of how the company came about, like I do want to acknowledge that like so many people are in this perspective of like the reason that they went into like becoming interspec -tioners because a lot of people worked as a nurse and they were working at the end of the line of
and they were like, I just, this feels futile. Like I'm doing a good job, but it's like, it's not really making the impact that I wanna make. And so people go into the prevention side and they wanna make like a, they wanna make a big difference. And I think that they still want that. So yeah, I guess I just wanna like share in terms of, I think that it can be very frustrating to like have that experience and not have the mentorship and not have the education that you want. I think that for now,
I'm going to transition more into the course making instead of the mentorship. Maybe we'll revisit that at a certain point. But yeah, I just I really want to make I really want to like.
Well, one of things I'm really excited about is making courses in collaboration with specialists. Because basically, if I'm true to myself, I'm really honest. When I first started the company, I was like, I want somebody to be doing this, but nobody's doing it in the way that I want it to. So I'll just do it. But it would be really nice if I could just have someone that's way more experienced and smarter than I am, and I could just ask them questions. So one of the things that we're going to do is work on some courses with specialists and be able to expand that reach where it's like,
Weeze (16:28)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (16:38)
There's a, in primary care, it's like we're, you know, Jack, Jill, J of all trades, but master of none, but we're kind of expected to like do a lot of connecting of the dots for all of those specialties, but there's like so many barriers in between. So yeah, so one of my hopes is to expand the course catalog so that we can have more specialists coming in and have them become certified. So that's the thing that we're kind of working towards behind the scenes.
Weeze (17:01)
Yeah. So I want to take a little bit of a left turn because I think, I think you said something that I want you to elaborate on from the perspective of being a nurse practitioner with, you all the years of experience that you have at the intersection of all the work that you've been doing to liberate yourself from a lot of that patterning, right? And the training of.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (17:06)
Totally.
Totally.
Totally.
Weeze (17:29)
hustle and grind and perfectionism and people pleasing, not just as a nurse practitioner, but also as a business owner. Because it is, it's incredibly frustrating, like you said, to be a service oriented person who is like, I want to make a difference. I want things to be better. I want to help people and I have no support or I don't, I mean, our education system across the board.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (17:37)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (17:59)
unfortunately is lacking in a lot of ways, right? So it's like, I don't have maybe all the tools that I need, I don't have the support. And then I look around and anytime I like want to ask for the support or get the support as a culture, just generally as a culture, right? But from what I know about our time working together is more so right in the kind of nurse practitioner world is like, then you look around and you're like, well, I almost don't wanna ask somebody.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (17:59)
Yeah.
Totally.
Weeze (18:29)
something because then they're going to question whether I'm good enough or I know how to do my job or I'm competent or they're going to get annoyed because they have a thousand things on their plate and then they're like, what the fuck are you asking me this? You know, whatever. Like I don't have time to answer this for you. I've got this caseload or whatever the case is. Right. And I think that the way that you teach and the way that you create curriculum and the way that you.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (18:29)
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
Totally. Totally.
Totally.
Weeze (18:56)
I know mentorship might come back, but even the way that you just guide folks through their learning journey takes that reality into account. And I think that's actually what makes you, because there's other companies that do what you do, but they don't do what you do the way that you do, and they certainly don't bring in that lens. So I would love for you to talk a little bit more about that, because I think that is really unique to real -world NP.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (19:03)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You mean the kind of like humanity lens of being a clinician?
Weeze (19:24)
Yeah, bringing in the reality of that experience, right? So it's like, for example, even just the gentleness, like the company has an ethos, right? It has a vibe, it has an energy. And it's just like that, right? Even just the gentleness of being able to step into a space or an educational container in an industry that is not gentle to their people, right? Yeah. And...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (19:28)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's toxic and harsh. Yeah.
Weeze (19:54)
Like one of, like that, for example, as an element of how y 'all do things differently.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (19:59)
Totally, yeah, I mean, I think that's always been a real core piece for me is that it's like the naming of that experience. Like I think it's not, yeah, it's never just about the education and about doing a good job. It's like, it's, there's this like, yeah, I just, I've really felt that compulsion to like really name what the experience is because it's like when I've done the research of putting this together and as I talk to people, it's like the same words are being used the whole time.
and people feel lonely and they feel like they're the only one that's struggling. And so, yeah, I mean, I think that I'm really just trying to, yeah, just like bring that humanity type of perspective of like, we get to be full people, we get to have feelings, we get to have needs, and like, we're not alone in any of this.
Yeah, I don't know. I think I feel a little funny because it's like me talking about like, what makes me different? Like, I don't know if you have any follow up questions, but I don't know anything that anything that you can name or whatever.
Weeze (21:06)
I mean, I get that it feels like weird and awkward and funny. And I also say that because I'm the exact same way. And I think it's important for people to hear the why behind that difference or, or, and, or but, and also that that difference exists, right? Like you can actually choose to.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (21:14)
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
Weeze (21:27)
get your education and your mentorship free of the toxicity that exists generally in our professional culture, right? But most more specifically within the medical, the professional culture of medicine, right? You can actually get education without shame and without the grind and without the hustle and without the guilt or whatever that kind of comes along with not knowing. Like,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (21:29)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (21:56)
Which is always as an aside wild to me because it's like none of us knew what we didn't know when we didn't know it until we knew it. You know? You learn, you figure the things out after 10 years, but it like you're one me.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (21:59)
Hehehehe.
Totally. Totally.
Weeze (22:12)
man, you know, just didn't know the things and that's okay. And so I know it feels weird, but I think it's important to know that you do that differently.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (22:16)
Totally. Yeah, yeah, I just, totally. Yeah, I mean, I think, so I guess I can talk about frustrations that I've had in other places, maybe that will help highlight it too, but it's like, yeah, I mean, think that there's, like you really named that experience that people have and everybody says the same thing of like, they don't wanna bother people with their questions. They feel embarrassed, they feel.
Weeze (22:39)
Mm -hmm.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (22:42)
Yeah, especially asking clinical questions, they feel like, they already have imposter syndrome, so it really just exacerbates it. So I really do try to foster that community of there are no dumb questions. We have a Facebook group that goes with a lab course, and people submit patient cases, and I'll post in there, there are no dumb questions, what questions do you have? And it's like any little thing is fine, because that unease that you have is gonna follow through. You have enough to hold, and if you have that little bug in your ear of, did I do that right? Or, you know, that's.
Yeah, I hate that. I hate the, in the healthcare industry, this kind of like proving, hierarchical, like bullying, especially, and it really is horrible. I mean, other people listening in this as nurse practitioners probably have seen this, but it's very, I mean, there are bullies and it's like you'd think that people wouldn't bully in healthcare, but they do. Nurses and nurse practitioners bully each other. So I really do, yeah, I mean, I really do want real world NEP to have this welcoming,
like judgment free, like person centered, like not just person, like nurse practitioner person, but like patients, right? Like they get to be people too, and we get to have patient centered conversations where we're both autonomous individuals and they have, you know, sovereignty and choice over what they do. And we just get to present the options and the risks and benefits, you know? Yeah, and I really do wanna bring like, I mean, with guidance, of course, like I'm developing my discernment lens more in terms of equity. Like I wanna make sure that, like,
as I'm producing things, like the evidence that we have is not with an equity lens. Like there isn't, studies are being done with like eight white dudes and that's, you know, cis dudes and that's like the evidence that we carry on forever, right? Like I can't fix that problem, but what can I do to contribute to making sure that I'm bringing that lens to the way that I'm teaching, right? Cause people ask about like, well, how do we interpret lab values for transgender patients, for example? And you know, it's like,
Weeze (24:27)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (24:39)
What is the evidence that we have and what is the best practice? And it's like, you know what, here's all that we have for data and this is what the recommendations are. Here's what the guidelines say, here are what the gaps are. You just have to think about it, you know? So like, I don't know, I just, I don't feel like there's that warm and cushy anywhere that I've seen. And it's like, there's also, I don't see a ton of the equity lens piece either. So those are definitely two things that I can try to contribute in the way that I can.
Even if I'm not gonna fix the healthcare system, I'm not gonna fix education, right? Like I've reframed that, I'm like, that's not how that works. No, you can help, but you're not gonna fix it.
Weeze (25:04)
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I love the goal. I love the desire, but no, definitely not. Right.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (25:17)
Yeah, but it doesn't mean that we don't do things, because I think that, I mean, that's like a real lesson that I've learned from you, Weeze, is that talking about how we make changes, because I think that people really are invested in change. And if you haven't checked out Weeze's work, please do. I'm going to link all the places, because your work is amazing. But that, like that, you know, do you mind if I share about Eyes of Oppression? Can I say that or no? Is that?
Weeze (25:31)
Thank you.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. That's not a me thing. I learned that sophomore year. am I back? Hello?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (25:41)
I think I lost you again.
Weeze (25:48)
Are we back? What is happening? Can you not hear me? Am I frozen?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (25:51)
Squeeze.
I lost you. No, I hear you now, but it just froze for a second.
Weeze (25:55)
okay, that's super weird. Okay, yeah, you can share about eyes of oppression. That's a very widely used, I mean, the way that I explain it is different. So the only difference is that, so the eyes of oppression are obviously the eyes, and then my spin on it is how do we use it as a tool the opposite way to dismantle systems, but you can absolutely share about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (26:05)
Yeah.
Yeah, so do you mind if I share about that? Do you mind if I say that? Okay. Okay. Well, I was gonna say one, so one of the, like, that was just, that was, I mean, I've learned so many lessons from you, but that one was super impactful, talking about, like, the way that we actually impact change is like, like the eyes of oppression are the, you know, there's the, there's the ideology, the institution, the interpersonal, and then the individual, like, you know, what is like the global idea versus like,
Weeze (26:31)
Mm -hmm.
Mm -hmm.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (26:43)
who is carrying those on versus the, how we relate to each other versus the beliefs that we have. And that's how you teach things is like, how do we do it in ourselves so that we can actually impact change? Like you can't actually impact the system from the top, you impact it from the bottom. So I think it's just, I just think that like little core piece alone is like just so helpful for people who get really discouraged in the healthcare industry because it's like, my God, it's just so big and there's so many problems and so many people like just get discouraged and they wanna give up.
Weeze (26:48)
Mm -hmm.
Mm -hmm.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (27:13)
and we still have to assess what our capacity is and what our roles are in that, but it does make a difference. And so I'm not like, I can't make a difference. that's horrible. I'm not going to do anything. It's like, no, no, this is my individual role and how I can help in this little way.
Weeze (27:20)
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. I mean, and I will say as like an obviously somebody who is again, not a medical professional, but experiences medicine and healthcare as just like an individual who has a lot of my own like medical trauma dealing with medical professionals that it makes.
the world of difference when you come across and it unfortunately is always nurses or the nurse practitioners like it's really okay, at least in my experience and in talking to people that I know it's never the doctors that are like doing this for you, right? But it's the nurses and the nurse practitioners who have adopted this perspective that you're speaking of, of like patient first, right? Of like really listening. Those are the ones that have made,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (28:00)
terrible.
Yeah.
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Weeze (28:18)
Like I remember to this day, like some of the nurses names and faces from like when I was hospitalized 11 years ago, you know what I mean? And like, I was there for seven days. So I saw tons of people, but like, I will never forget some of those people. It makes such a huge difference. So I think just to drop that little nugget as well is like, that's why that it's like the, you're changing like bottom up is so important, not just because that's what we actually have control over.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (28:26)
Yeah, no, it's so true.
Yeah.
Weeze (28:47)
But because, and this is honestly how I orient myself towards the work is like, if every single day I've at least changed somebody's experience with whatever industry you're in or whatever it is that you do, they're like, that is change. That is actionable. That is tangible. Right? So it's like, if as a nurse or nurse practitioner, you're like, well, today I impacted one patient. They felt heard. They felt seen.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (28:58)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (29:14)
They heard me say, Hey, you know what, like maybe BMI is not the most accurate tool and XYZ or whatever, whatever, or actually, you know, like I'm hearing you say that you are in pain. And so I'm not going to follow these medical guidelines based on race and all these other things that we know are inaccurate. Right. and I'm going to actually listen to you. Like that's one that you, you made a change. That person is going to remember that moment.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (29:31)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (29:42)
for the rest of their lives. And that also aids in the re -patterning of what happens in our body when we come up against these systems. So I think for anyone who needed to hear that, just as a reminder, yeah, none of us are gonna change the whole thing, but we can impact individuals. We can change our, we all have a sphere of influence.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (29:55)
Yeah. Yeah.
100%. Yeah, and like, yeah, and I think I hope that people, I know a lot of people in the community are kind of still in that people pleasing perfectionist high achieving place and it can be hard to absorb positive stuff like that. But I think I would encourage anybody listening to think about like, it really does make a difference. Because I think one of the things that I want to help with and I worry about is how burnt out people are getting.
Weeze (30:07)
Right?
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (30:35)
in healthcare, especially after COVID. And it can be really discouraging to feel like you don't make a difference because things feel so huge, but you really do. And it is so impactful. I think I told you about this, the other day I had a dermatologist appointment and I just cried because I was like, someone actually is listening to me and helping me for after 10 years of this skin challenge. Who actually cares? And hopefully they'll come on the podcast. They're amazing. But yeah.
Weeze (30:44)
Right. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it does. It makes a world of difference. Even just, I mean, we can get into the whole, you know, reality also of just like stress on the body and what that does to your nervous system and how long that lasts in your body. So being, no one wants to be with any medical professional, right? Like I'm not like, yes, let me go sit with whoever. I don't care what level you're at, right? Like.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (31:25)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (31:31)
I don't want to be in the doctor's office. I don't be a dentist. I don't want to be in the hospital. Like, no, no one wants to be here. Period, right? So it's like, it is really hard to hear the positives when you're probably told all day long that you did the smallest thing wrong or not fast enough or, you know, whatever. But I think those are the important things to hold on to.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (31:38)
Mm.
Weeze (31:59)
at the intersection of finding spaces like real world NP That's gonna say, hey, you know what? There's not a single dumb question and I'd rather you ask it here, right? And get the clarity and get the answers because there's also so much that having just the confidence and like the self -assuredness of your own like processing and thinking and you know, like knowledge that goes a long way to combating the people pleasing and...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (32:07)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (32:29)
and the perfectionism, right? And like the way that that comes up in the body. And I don't think people realize that. Just being able to be in a space like yours will make a huge difference for them. Huge difference, right? Because imagine being able to walk in and you have a physician being like, well, X, Y, Z did it and you're like, actually that's factually incorrect. And I know that it is, right? Like that goes a long way.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (32:31)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Totally.
Definitely.
Weeze (32:57)
Yeah. Okay. So we talked a little bit about the curriculum and how right over the last couple of years, it's not necessarily shifted, but like it's really getting infused with, you know, more of this real world NP ethos. I want to touch a little bit on the business because I don't think that people fully recognize, basically like,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (33:14)
Totally.
Sure.
Know that this is not a hobby?
Weeze (33:26)
I don't think people realize that, right? So the same way that you are intentionally and actively creating spaces for other people to show up with their questions, with their humanity, and you're honoring it, and it's shame -free, and all of the things, you've also created a business that reflects those same belief systems.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (33:29)
You know.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Weeze (33:49)
So I think that it's important for people to also hear like, what can they expect? Cause they're not just getting the education, right? They're engaging with a business and with a team. What can people expect from real world NP as a business? Because you also have decolonial, liberatory business practices that are very different just from like business quote unquote, as it's supposed to be done, right? Like bro marketing, a la bro marketing, but then is very different from quote unquote, professionalism.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (34:00)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Weeze (34:18)
and medical professionalism in general.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (34:19)
Yeah.
so I think like the way that things, the way that I used to do things, like I think I was very much like in that culture of like how things were done in healthcare. And so some of the things I would do, like I already kind of said, was like the hustle and grind thing. And I was available all the time. And because I deeply care for people on in these spaces and struggling with the things they're struggling with, like I think I would do things like.
Weeze (34:22)
Thank you.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (34:45)
I would be in my DMs all the time, for example, on Instagram and sending people messages back and voice messages back. And, you know, like when people ask questions, like clinical questions on like the YouTube channel comments, for example, or we'll write in emails into our customer service inbox with kind of the situation that's going on or specific patient question. It was very hard for me not to want to jump in and like be there and be with the people.
And I think I realized that that was one of the contributors to burnout. And so, and then I also kind of had this thing too of like how I did things is like I had very like high production value videos that I had to present myself in this professional way, which yes, pause that thought, but what is even professionalism? But I just had this conception of like how I had to be and I actually got feedback from people of like I was too casual even with that whole.
Weeze (35:32)
Yeah!
Liz Rohr (they/she) (35:43)
you know, had some, they had some things to say. I'm like, okay, well, I'm not the educator for you then.
Weeze (35:46)
Y 'all hate my videos.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (35:52)
But yeah, like this person said that in my teaching, I was too casual, like not even in my presentation. So those are some of the things that I would do before, I know, I know, or that I would talk too fast, which I know that I do. And so I've tried to work on that because I know there's different learning speeds and styles, but I've also directed them to the settings button where you can speed it up and slow it down.
But yeah, so I think that some of the shifts are kind of like what is professionalism in the first place? What is like me being authentically human, which is why I don't have makeup on, I have whatever clothes I wanna wear today. And yeah, and then we've just kind of, I've just been setting more boundaries with people where, you I do, like again, I deeply wanna support people and that's my own like personal work journey of like I can't help everybody, just cause I can doesn't mean that I should. And I have capacity limitations and so,
what are the containers that I can support people in? So inside of the courses, for example, there are specific guidelines of you can present patient cases in the lab course specific to the lab materials. And then in the diabetes, hypertension, and CKD course, you can ask questions as well, clarifying the material. But I don't have capacity to take patient questions there, at least at this time with the staffing that we have and my capacity. So.
Yeah, and then like we have things like a work week. We have a four -day work week for myself and the team where it's you know, Monday through Thursday You know 10 to 4 is our is our quote -unquote business hours And we just like don't do urgency because there's nothing life -threatening about the work that we do and I think that's really hard for people and it's been really hard for me to divest from urgency because so much of health care is about hyper vigilance and you know, I need something now and it and everything feels really urgent because a lot of times you are dealing with life and death.
but we are not. And so that's one of the practices that hopefully I'm trying to model. It feels, for people who are not accustomed to boundaries, that might feel a little bit harsh. But hopefully it's a nice model that it's like you get to take a second to and not be motivated by the urgency. And I know it feels urgent right now that you need access to something, for example. That feels really stressful. And we get to treat people with humanity too. And I think that hopefully,
we're trying to set some more boundaries in that. And most people are very kind when they reach out in terms of like the inbox or indirect messages or stuff like that. But there can be that sometimes too, where people bring in that intensity and their experiences of being talked poorly to us. So yeah, so that would be a request. I don't if that's a request or a boundary, but just to remember that everybody is a human, myself, my team members.
You get to be a human. I and the team try to hold all the space for our clients and customers and audience members, humanities. So trying to have that mutuality piece there.
Weeze (38:40)
so I think what I wanna reiterate for people, because I don't want them to like miss one of the points, because you know, I think about it from, I always think about how could things potentially land with people based on either how, right, like our social narratives or social contracts, all those things. And I wanna make sure people heard what you said, right?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (38:54)
Yeah.
Beautiful. I would love that. Thank you.
Weeze (39:04)
because you...
Well, because here's the thing, I guarantee that somebody for all of their own, because of their own experiences and also because of how we're socialized, what they heard was like, if you're not gonna be, like if your energy isn't like balanced or calm or like gentle and soft, like don't bring it over here. Right, because that is a lot of times what we're told and that's not what was said, right? And I know this to be true.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (39:29)
Mm -hmm.
Weeze (39:35)
because I know that you and team, and especially when y 'all do have mentorship spaces, will hold everything. You can come in stressed, you can come in frazzled, you can even be spiraling, right? In fact, those are probably the times you should ask for support. That's not what's said, right? You can have all your feelings. That is literally the point of being in spaces that honors the fullness of your humanity. That means the fullness of every single piece of your human experience and that human expression.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (39:49)
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Weeze (40:05)
The distinction is that just because you are frustrated because you had a hard day or whatever, or just because something feels urgent to you, doesn't mean you get to talk to people like you don't have any sense.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (40:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (40:20)
I don't know how to make that like any, you know, sound any more professional for those who need my teaching to be more professional, because that's just what it is. Unfortunately, we live in a society where when somebody's having a bad day or when someone has big feelings about something that are either heavy or energetically charged or quote unquote dubbed negative emotions, negative feelings, that we end up treating other people, we end up mistreating and dishonoring other people.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (40:41)
Yeah.
Weeze (40:47)
and their humanity simply because we are in a quote unquote negative, right? Or like frazzled, energetically imbalanced place. And that is also a part of liberation, right? Recognizing that like I can be having a bad day. We have bad days. I can be off my game. Maybe my boss talked to me like they had no sense, right? Because they don't know how to honor my humanity, whatever. But that never excuses, and this happens a lot specifically for small business entrepreneurs.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (40:53)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep. Yeah.
Weeze (41:16)
That never excuses somebody coming into DMs or inboxes or any space where you are accessible and then mistreating you. That's that thing we do where we punch down, where it's like, well, I kind of got beat up on, and so now I'm going to punch down and bring that energy over here. Or, hey, I know I got an auto responder that says that y 'all are only available 10 to four, Monday through Thursday, and you...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (41:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (41:42)
have a 48 hour return window, but I emailed you seven minutes ago and I wanted it seven minutes ago and because you didn't give it to me seven minutes ago, even though you very clearly outlined your boundaries to me, I am now going to follow up with an email and I'm gonna tell you I wanna refund or you're trash or now I'm attacking you or now I'm talking to whoever's responding, whatever sweet baby angel is not the business owner, right? Who's managing the inbox like in a rude and brisk way or whatever the case is. So.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (42:03)
Hehehehehe
Yeah.
Weeze (42:11)
I think that's really important to note because we need to, you know me, I say the thing is it needs to be said. And so that is the behavior that we do see from people that own businesses or rather from people that engage with us as business owners and engage with our businesses. And there is that distinction. You get to have all your feelings. You can even show up in the inbox and being like, I'm having a terrible day. I'm totally spiraling. I'm sorry. I'll say that sometimes, like even in text messages to friends or to other people, like,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (42:17)
Hehehehe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep. Totally.
Weeze (42:41)
I'm having a really bad day. I'm sorry if I seem short. It has nothing to do with you or you know what? I already know that my energy is gonna bleed everywhere. So I'm gonna remove myself. Like my phone is going on, do not disturb. Hey mom, I love you. Don't worry about me. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Right? Like whatever the case is. And so I'm gonna say it cause you didn't. Like we, you know, you will create the space for people to have their feelings, but not for people to use those feelings as an excuse to mistreat others.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (42:41)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally. Totally.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
Weeze (43:13)
So you can come be mad at me if that upset you.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (43:17)
most part, I think for the most part, people are very kind and respectful for the most part. But I think like also, I don't know, I think hopefully there's just also an invitation to think about, I think what it makes me think of is that it's so different doing things with humanity in mind, the work that I've done like with the company and like the way that I do things. It's like, it just reminds me of being in the clinic and like there's no humanity. It's just not, it's so novel.
Weeze (43:22)
Yeah. Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (43:46)
and so sometimes people like don't even realize that they're having a bad day and then they take it out on somebody, you know, so I just really like empathize with people. If this is really novel for you to like, yeah, there's like a bit of grief there. Like I have a little bit of grief thinking about this, you know, it's like, you know, healthcare is hard.
Weeze (43:46)
Yeah.
Take it up. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I think that's the it is, but I think that's the beauty of the reminder. You get to have a bad day. You get to be frazzled or pissed or frustrated. Like you told you even get to realize that you're being short with people or maybe a little more brusque than you'd normally be. Right. Like that is the beauty of humanity. Just when you're alerted to it or when you realize it yourself.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (44:07)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Weeze (44:27)
you don't get to, you know, it's a still, it's not a justification, right? Or it's not an excuse. Like it is, it's an invitation to be like, wow, I need, you know what? I need to resource myself or I need to pause or I need to enter into a mentorship space that is gonna be able to like guide me through this or I need to just not talk to anybody for an hour or whatever the thing is, right? Like, again, it's an invitation and I'm naming all of this because...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (44:49)
Totally.
Weeze (44:54)
These are things that y 'all can be doing at work even, because there are gonna be people that do that to you. And you're right, like don't take it on, it's not yours, that's a them thing. And maybe that means you have to go hide in the closet. I've done that before in corporate, really. I'm like, I'm not even joking. I'm like, I'm gonna get paper! And I'm just like, in a closet. And like, I'm just like, ugh.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (44:57)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
When I was in the hospital, the med room was the place that you went to cry in the hospital setting. We didn't, yeah, yeah. It was more like the bathroom, I think, in clinic, but.
Weeze (45:22)
Yeah, yes, go cry. Right? Yeah, or paper closets, whatever, supply closets, whatever it is. Okay, so before we wrap up, and maybe you don't have an answer to this yet, which is like, we're just gonna model that for folks, right? But it's like, what can people expect for the moment?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (45:30)
Totally. Totally.
Yeah.
Weeze (45:46)
whether it's with regards to the podcast or any other resources you're gonna be putting out, any educational stuff, you know, blogging, Instagramming, courses, whatever. What have you decided is true in this moment?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (45:52)
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah, so I think, yeah, so there's a couple of things. So one is that I really do enjoy the podcast. I love doing interviews. So I have a number of interviews coming up. I'm probably gonna stick to that every other week cadence for now. Maybe that will change. I guess what I'm trying to do is like allow for like lots of possibilities. And I think it's really hard when there are people in the kind of like traditional like this is how you do business quote unquote.
Weeze (46:21)
Yeah.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (46:28)
that it's like, you know, have to choose a cadence of what you're gonna do and stick to it for the rest of your life. And it's like, okay, okay, how about not? Because I also like, am a creative person, and so sometimes I wanna do a million things, and sometimes I wanna do nothing. So yeah, so I have interviews. I'm trying to stick to a cadence that feels sustainable. I do like doing blog posts every once in a while on helpful topics that people have requested. I am working on a couple of different courses right now, so.
I've had some requests of, inside the lab, interpretation crash course, our most popular course, there's five modules, and I've had requests of people wanting just to buy one module at a time. And so for now, I'm going to be offering the renal lab module, which is urinalysis with microscopy, dipstick, BUN creatinine, and GFR. All of the labs need to address renal things. Protein creatinine ratio is in there. So that's gonna be offered for sale.
as well as I'm working on some GYN specific courses that are a little bit more compact than the lab course and the diabetes, hypertension and CKD course about contraceptives and abnormal uterine bleeding. And so for now we're working on the, I'm trying to get the whole company accredited so that anything that we make can have continuing education credit. That's a bit of a process, it's gonna take several months. So I'm gonna be offering those courses available for learning but not for credit.
So those are going to be coming out and what else am I working on? I feel like there's another thing and I can't remember. But I think those are the main things. I'm looking forward to this. That's a lot of things.
Weeze (48:08)
I was gonna say that's still a lot. Look at what can happen when you honor the fact that you're burnt out and you need to step away and resource yourself. You come back with like 12 new things. So yeah, you've got a lot of exciting things on kind of like on the brink. For now, how can people... Right. yeah, you said collaborative. There's gonna be some collaborative stuff coming up with specialists.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (48:19)
Totally, totally. So I'm excited for this thing.
Yeah. And I'm also reaching out to specialists too. I'm working, I'm working, yeah.
Collaborative stuff, yeah. We're not accredited yet, but I still want to work with them and see what we can do to make some courses.
Weeze (48:38)
Yeah, yeah. So how can people or how would you like for people to stay connected to you to engage with you? Is it Instagram? Is it the podcast? Is it a newsletter? What what's your preferred methodology? All of the above.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (48:46)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I really do. I really do love when people are on the email list. Sabrina is our team assistant who who intercepts all the emails. But we do. I really do appreciate hearing from people that way. But yeah, joining the email list. My resource guide is that real world n p dot com slash guide if you want to join that way. But subscribing to the podcast or that's something that you like to listen to or subscribing on YouTube is always awesome because that shows.
support so that it gets shown to more people. But yeah, if you're interested, especially if you're a student and you're thinking about interpreting your analysis, I think that's the main request that I get from students, because they're like I just want that module right now. That would be mainly for students. So yeah, I think those would be the main ways. And if you're interested in those two courses with the abnormal uterine bleeding and contraceptives, then being on the email list is the best place to find that out. So yeah.
Weeze (49:46)
Okay, and I can imagine that all of the links for the newsletter and even, you know, Instagram and whatever else, that'll all be in the show notes so people can find it very easily. All right, is there anything else that you didn't get a chance to say or you want the listeners to know before we say goodbye?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (49:53)
yeah, yeah.
yes. Absolutely.
Well, I would love for them to check out your stuff. I don't know where I should direct them. Well, I think I just want to put a plug in for you because there are so many people who want to see a difference in the healthcare industry, especially when it comes to bias, systemic oppression, racism, sexism, like all of those pieces. And I think that there's so much more to it.
Weeze (50:09)
Stop it.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (50:31)
then I think that a lot of people realize before they get into that journey. And I think that your stuff is really helpful support, but I also know that your business is shifting. So is there a place that I can send people? I mean, your podcast is according to Weeze, right? That's going to be where it's released. Cool.
Weeze (50:43)
Yep, so the podcast is According to Weeze. The Instagram where there's going to be educational stuff is According to Weeze. There's a Patreon for the podcast. I also separately have The Collective, which is a membership space that has tons of education and like over access to over like 500 videos that I've made over the course of life, which is why I laughed. I'm like, if y 'all didn't like Liz's videos, because I don't.
I mean, I refuse to code switch in my videos. I'll be in their cousin sometimes like, you're going to get a whole human all the time because you know what? Sometimes the stuff makes me mad. And you know, even as an educator, I'm like, let's talk about systemic racism. I'm pissed, you know, whatever. So yeah, so you can check it out there. There are some shifts coming, but if you are interested in seeing what those shifts are,
Liz Rohr (they/she) (51:15)
Yep.
I'm
POOF!
Mm -hmm.
Weeze (51:40)
Follow me on Instagram and then joining the newsletter via the website, LouizaDoran .com or according to Weeze .com, they take it to the same place. There's a newsletter link at the bottom. And that's the best way to stay tapped in. All of my courses are also available for self -paced. So regardless of what I end up doing with my energy and time, you can always just go buy them and do self -study.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (52:08)
Totally, totally. I have people start with culture of whiteness first, especially if you're a white person.
Weeze (52:12)
Culture of Whiteness, yeah, yeah, I think that's the best, yeah, I think that's the best intro point, because it's just straight up education. There's none of the like, now let's unpack the way that the system has traumatized you. You don't have to go there yet. So the Culture of Whiteness is a four part lecture series, four distinct lectures, and each one I think is about 90 minutes long. Some might be a little bit longer, but.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (52:20)
Mm -hmm.
Just learn some stuff.
Weeze (52:40)
And they're very conversational, right? I try to make it as digestible and easy for people to grasp as possible because who wants to sit around and listen to me lecture, you know? Even when I was lecturing at Berkeley, the kids were like, what? Like, you're just like talking to us. And I'm like, yeah, because it's not like, I don't even want to use all the big boring words. Like, you know what I, you know what I mean?
Liz Rohr (they/she) (53:00)
Doesn't have to be boring.
Weeze (53:05)
Like, I'd rather you pay attention. That is why I'm talking to you like a regular person.
Liz Rohr (they/she) (53:06)
Totally, yes.
Well, I feel like that's what medical education is like. It's like you have to be all like stuffy and buttoned up and it has to be in this way and professional. And it's like, we're all humans trying to do a job here. So like, let's just talk like regular people. Totally. Well, thank you so much for sharing and thanks for being on here.
Weeze (53:14)
Yeah, very serious.
It is, yeah. No, thanks for having me. Thanks for the plug. All right, y 'all, I think that's all in the episode. That's our episode for today. Check out all the links, click all the places, do all the following, and definitely, definitely, definitely, if you are...
Liz Rohr (they/she) (53:38)
Cool. Beautiful.
Weeze (53:50)
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Liz Rohr (they/she) (54:02)
And thank you. Woo -hoo!
Weeze (54:03)
That's it. All right, you're welcome.
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